From: Aaron (aamehl_at_nonexisting.hamakor.org.il)
Date: Mon 16 Aug 2004 - 16:35:58 IDT
Well,
Here's how I feel.
I am somewhere in between a newbie and a poweruser.
Often the more technical things are above my head but I find that later
I use that information and would sure miss it, as I would not enjoy
having to subscribe to an extra list (I count 12 I am currently
subscribed to).
The newbie stuff aslo is good, sometimes I even get to answer such a
question :).
If the war issues is the main issue what about a rule against them and
or at least not letting them get deep ie multithreaded as sometimes
happens.
In either case, I get answers here I often don't find any other place.
BTW howmany people are we talking about who are staying away?
Is it 2 or 22?
Maybe these people would stay away even with the changes suggested??
Maybe before making a drastic move, you could ask them....
Anyways I really enjoy the group and hope it continues.
Thanks
Aaron
On Mon, 2004-08-16 at 16:08, Shlomi Fish wrote:
> Hi all!
>
> I noticed a trend when talking to some people face to face, and that is that
> many of them (and I'm referring to smart, expert, even full-fledged hacker
> people) stop reading the Linux-IL mailing list after a while. Their reasons
> vary. Some of the things I heard:
>
> 1. Linux-IL is the core of too many flame-wars.
>
> 2. Linux-IL has a low signal-to-noise ratio.
>
> Now, the activity on this mailing list seems to still be strong, but I'd
> rather we did not scare people like that. As I stressed before, these are not
> newbies who are overwhelmed. These are smart people who are not "Qotley
> Qinim".
>
> One option is to split this mailing list. One possibility would be:
>
> 1. linux-il - mailing list for Q&A and newbie questions.[1] Also announcements
> of events.
>
> 2. events coordination. (or is one of @hamakor.org.il mailing lists adequate?)
>
> 3. linux-il-cafe or linux-il-non-tech - chit-chat, movies, off-topic
> discussion, humour, philosophy, etc. etc. Technical conversation is also
> welcome. Sometimes conversations will be moved there.
>
> This aims to be a social forum for Linux-IL members so they can get to know
> each other and discuss the things they like.
>
> 4. linux-il-wars - discussing Windows vs. Unix, Linux vs. BSD, vi vs. Emcas,
> PostgreSQL vs. MySQL vs. Firebird vs. MaxDB, Perl vs. Python vs. Ruby vs. Tcl
> vs. PHP, Scheme/LISP vs. Perl/Python/Ruby, Java vs. .NET, etc. etc.
>
> Sometimes conversations will be moved there as well from different mailing
> list.
>
> ----------
>
> Any others?
>
> So far, I think it's a good idea.
>
> Regards,
>
> Shlomi Fish
>
> [1] - the reason I designate this as such is to avoid the EF-Net
> #perl/#perlhelp effect. What happened was that they got tired of newbie
> questions in #perl so they started #perlhelp. However, Perl newbies
> automatically try #perl at first time, do not read the topic and ask their
> question. What they've could have done was designate #perl as a newbies
> channel, and #perlcafe for the advanced users.
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