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Hi,
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<p>I waited 2 hours (during linux-il's prime time) and no useful answer
<br>
arrived, so I will share my little experience.
<br>
<p>On Thu, Jul 29, 2004 at 09:35:22PM +0300, Eran Tromer wrote:
<br>
<em class="quotelev1">> Ahoy,
</em><br>
<em class="quotelev1">>
</em><br>
<em class="quotelev1">> I'd appreciate advise on the following.
</em><br>
<em class="quotelev1">>
</em><br>
<em class="quotelev1">> My main workstation currently has two 80GB ATA drives. One is used
</em><br>
<em class="quotelev1">> mostly for backups of the other, so I have just about 80GB of effective
</em><br>
<em class="quotelev1">> work space. I need more space, and more speed, so I plan to buy a 160GB
</em><br>
<em class="quotelev1">> ATA/133 drive and configure the three drives as follows:
</em><br>
<em class="quotelev1">> * 160GB 3-way RAID5 via Linux's software RAID, using the two existing
</em><br>
<em class="quotelev1">> 80GB disks and half of the new 160GB disk.
</em><br>
<em class="quotelev1">> * The other 80GB of the 160GB disk used as a separate partition for
</em><br>
<em class="quotelev1">> less important (i.e., easily recoverable) stuff.
</em><br>
<em class="quotelev1">>
</em><br>
<em class="quotelev1">> Is there some problem with using half-a-disk for the RAID array?
</em><br>
<p>Not that I know of.
<br>
<p><em class="quotelev1">> How bad
</em><br>
<em class="quotelev1">> is it that the three 80GB partitions making up the RAID5 reside on disks
</em><br>
<em class="quotelev1">> of different makes and models, contrary to common wisdom?
</em><br>
<p>I do not think it's bad at all.
<br>
<p><em class="quotelev1">> Assuming low
</em><br>
<em class="quotelev1">> load on the extra 80GB partition, is there some reason to use RAID4
</em><br>
<em class="quotelev1">> (with the parity on the 160GB disk) instead of RAID5?
</em><br>
<p>Probably, but I don't know.
<br>
The main thing to consider about performance is that modern disks are
<br>
faster in their start and slower in their end, with various speeds
<br>
(around 10-20 different zones) in between, with the end around half
<br>
the speed of the start. Also, newer disks tend to be faster than older
<br>
ones, but that's not accurate. In "speed" I refer to throughput only,
<br>
not latency (seek time + rotational latency, the latter a direct result
<br>
of the RPM). My experience shows (all speeds are in the start) that new
<br>
40GB disks are around 45MB/s (old are around 30MB/s), and new 80GB+ ones
<br>
are around 55MB/s (I measured several different 80GB, but only few 120
<br>
and only one 200GB). The fastest disk I measured until today, BTW, was
<br>
a 72GB SCSI disk, 10K RPM (or maybe even 15K, don't remember and don't
<br>
have model), which did 69MB/s. Fast. I was pretty disappointed with the
<br>
120 and 200, expecting them to be faster than the 80's, but that's life.
<br>
<p>This means that the start of your 80's and 160's will be the same speed,
<br>
and so there is no big point in giving a different role to one of them,
<br>
but the ends of the 80 are going to be much slower than the middle of
<br>
the 160 one. So in terms of speed, the best you can do is have more than
<br>
one raid array - e.g. slice the 80's to 2 or even 3 partitions, create
<br>
same-size partitions on the 160, and raid them. Much less convinient,
<br>
though. Speed costs.
<br>
<p>I also want to say that I have no idea what speed you are going to get
<br>
_in_practice_, and if you are interested and have the time you should
<br>
benchmark.
<br>
<p>To check disk speed I use zcav (from bonnie). I never benchmarked
<br>
seriously a filesystem, but bonnie should do this too.
<br>
<p>You can get my quite-large collection of zcav outputs (I know it
<br>
sounds pathetic, and it is), at
<br>
<http://www.cs.tau.ac.il/~didi/disk-speed.tgz> (a 1.2MB file).
<br>
You'll find there, among other things, in the fox/ dir, runs of
<br>
zcav on two disks concurrently (in various connections - both PATA,
<br>
one through a SATA converter, etc.). I also tried such a thing with
<br>
dd bs=1024k count=1000 (no zcav), two PCI IDE RAID and on-board,
<br>
results in </~didi/raid.tgz>.
<br>
<p><em class="quotelev1">> What's the best
</em><br>
<em class="quotelev1">> RAID chunk size for a workload typically consisting of 2-3 heavy batch
</em><br>
<em class="quotelev1">> jobs plus normal interactive desktop use (I was thinking of 128KB or
</em><br>
<em class="quotelev1">> 256KB)?
</em><br>
<p>I have no idea, I use 4KB, and would love to hear educated opinions.
<br>
<p><em class="quotelev1">> Is there a really good reason to get an IDE RAID PCI card?
</em><br>
<p>Not really. There are basically two reasons to do this: One is that
<br>
you potentially get more throughput (because connecting 2-3 fast disks
<br>
to the same on-board controller will degrade throughput significantly,
<br>
by my measurements), the other is os-independent-raid-configuration -
<br>
that is, the raid conf is kept on the card, and the driver reads it
<br>
from there, and not from /etc or the registry. The last one is an
<br>
issue only if you dual-boot. Note (as others said on this list in the
<br>
past), that cheap ones are _software_ RAID - the driver does the raid.
<br>
Hardware raid starts at around $500 per card.
<br>
<p><em class="quotelev1">> How
</em><br>
<em class="quotelev1">> much trouble should I expect from mkinitrd, Knoppixen, etc?
</em><br>
<p>I don't know. I know there is support, I know it's not as seamless as
<br>
with regular disks, but I did not try it. I only did raid to data
<br>
volumes, not "system" ones. But I do not think it's more than a few
<br>
hours for an experienced sysadmin.
<br>
<p>Good luck, and tell us your results (if/when you'll have some),
<br>

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