From: Shachar Shemesh (linux-il_at_nonexisting.hamakor.org.il)
Date: Tue 27 Jan 2004 - 16:32:11 IST
I have not yet said my last word on the matter. Anything else, however,
will have to wait for my return from the wineconf.
Shachar
Lior Okman wrote:
>
> The bottom line seems to be: "With all due respect for non-IE browsers
> (and we have respect!!!), please get lost".
>
> I really hope that this attitude will one day change.
>
> Lior
>
> Shachar Shemesh wrote:
>
>> Check out the ongoing saga at http://www.consumer.org.il
>>
>> Lior Okman wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Count me in.
>>>
>>> Same issue, different bank, does anybody have any success with Leumi's
>>> web site?
>>>
>>>
>>> Lior
>>>
>>>
>>> Alex Gontmakher wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi everybody,
>>>>
>>>> If anybody of you have tried to access the Discountbank.net web site
>>>> (for online account access), you would surely notice that it accepts
>>>> connections originated from Internet Explorer only. That's quite a
>>>> problem for Linux users - it wouldn't even try to communicate with
>>>> Mozilla ;-(.
>>>>
>>>> I have tried to contact the bank technical support on this issue, and
>>>> got a response stating that "Since the Internet Explorer is the mostly
>>>> used browser, we don't support any others. In the future the bank will
>>>> discuss working with additional browsers".
>>>>
>>>> Have any of you tried to access that site, or would you like to do it?
>>>> It's very convenient, and it's a shame to have a Windows installation
>>>> around just for this (and yes, yes, I know about Wine... not working
>>>> very well for me unfortunately).
>>>>
>>>> Now this problem is not specific to Discount bank - there are many
>>>> others that not only make the minimal effort to communicate with
>>>> non-IE
>>>> browsers, but specifically go forward and make them IE-only. That's no
>>>> way to promote Mozilla in particular and Linux in general!!!
>>>>
>>>> What we can do is collect some amount of signatures and contact the
>>>> bank
>>>> again, showing that the interest in the site is not from several
>>>> people
>>>> only. And then, we can probably write to something like "Captain
>>>> Internet" of Haaretz for more exposure.
>>>>
>>>> So, if you want to get this site, and probably others, to work with
>>>> Mozilla browsers, write me and we'll roll this on!
>>>>
>>>> Alex
>>>>
>>>> P.S. Below is the approximate text that I'd like to send to the
>>>> webmasters (probably in Hebrew). Comments welcome.
>>>>
>>>> Dear webmaster of <site name here>!
>>>>
>>>> We have tried to access your site using the Mozilla browser, and
>>>> got the
>>>> response stating that "The site is designed to work with Internet
>>>> Explorer only". Unfortunately, we, as Linux users, are unable to
>>>> use the
>>>> Internet Explorer browser.
>>>>
>>>> We feel that this situation is unwarranted. The Mozilla browser
>>>> supports
>>>> the Web standards to a level which is not worse, and at times
>>>> exceeding,
>>>> that of Internet Explorer. In addition, due to the recurring security
>>>> problems with Microsoft Windows in general, and Internet Explorer in
>>>> particular, Mozilla (and other non-IE browsers as well) is actually
>>>> *more secure* to use.
>>>>
>>>> Replying that the majority of users of the site use IE anyway is
>>>> incorrect in its nature. Of course non-IE users won't access your site
>>>> once they know that it works with IE only. The situation is
>>>> worsened by
>>>> the fact that your site actively disables connections that originate
>>>> from Mozilla, thus preventing the Mozilla developers from ever fixing
>>>> compatibility problems if such exist.
>>>>
>>>> This situation is unduly discriminating for the Linux and MacOS users,
>>>> and it stifles the competition in the operating systems and in WWW
>>>> browsers in Israel.
>>>>
>>>> We ask you to support other browsers on your site, or at least stop
>>>> actively disabling it.
>>>>
>>>> With respect,
>>>> <list of signatures>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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